Two Dollars (The Beginning)

Many people claim they have years or even decades of experience behind them in the online world. But what drives someone to the point where they think about making money online ? For some of them is losing their jobs. For others is the birth of a child. For some it could be curiosity, while for others it could be desperation. For me it was the need for $2! I wasn’t poor, I had no urgent finantial needs to take care of. In fact I had a pretty normal life, but…

It all happened roughly 15 years ago. Back then I was living in my parents’ house and they pretty much provided for anything I needed. My father had a real, physical store that was going pretty well.  The online world wasn’t what it is now. It was an unknown and unexplored world. People were taught to be skeptical when browsing. The internet was a place where you’d get viruses that’d kill your computer and steal your money. It`s pretty hard to imagine that now, when you can buy whatever you want, fast and securely online using your phone or even your watch and get it at your doorsteps within a week and even faster. But back then you were taught not to share personal info, especially your credit card or bank account details.

Being unable to use the internet for shopping, I’d only use it to talk to friends and play games. I always had a lot of free time after school and played games in team with close friends, so we usually got very close to the first 10 places in most MMORPGs (AN MMORPG is an online role-playing video game in which a very large number of people participate simultaneously). The first place was usually unobtainable for us, because it was usually taken by people that used real money to buy boosts (something we could never do because we were afraid to share any credit card information online).

While we were playing yet another game online as a team, we were pretty close to bringing our clan within the top 5. We didn’t want to spend real money online but still checked the price of boosters. It turned out all we needed was a boost pack that had a price of just $2 (yeah, just two dollars). The next day after schoold we gathered at a friend’s house and talked for hours! We all had enough money to get that pack in our pockets, but had no way of spending them online. If you wanted to use a credit card to shop online everyone would tell you the same thing: Online hackers ask you for $2 and once you give them your credit card information, they`ll take everything you have. But would that mean that we were bound to stay on the 6th place ?

That night I could barely sleep. I wasted a few hours thinking about how I could get the booster pack. I even thought about learning to hack websites just so I could hock into the game to boost my team. Then it hit me: Why not earn the money online ? If some courageous people spent money online, then someone out there was earning. I didn`t even think about making a full income online or turn the internet into a paying job. All I thought about was that I needed to get $2.

I got on the mIRC soft and looked for answers to my problem…

I`ll talk about what happened after that in another article, so be sure to check the blog from time to time for newer articles.

Yeah, so I figured it will be pretty hard to split my life into articles, so let’s just continue the story within this one article. So I got on mIRC, because there were people that seemed to know more about making money on the internet than me. There I found a pretty nice community ready to help anyone that wanted “in”. I was a newbie and there were a lot of weird terms thrown at me that I knew nothing about. They were talking about roots, psyBNCs, CCs, or CVVs. I felt overwhelmed. I needed someone to guide me. Making friends was never hard for me so I started talking with people around different mIRC channels and soon I was friends with a few channel administrators, the ones thought to know the most about what it meant to make money online. One of them became my best friend and stayed that way for a long period of time.

The first thing I learned from him was that people weren’t all that nice to new people as I thought they were. A root was basically a hacked server and they were handing out the login info for one such server to any newcommer to play on. What the newbies didn’t know was that a simple DNS of the IP would tell you that the server was owned by the FBI, having the internet address “” or something similar. Turns out I was in luck when I started, because I didn`t know how to login to a root. It was the only thing that kept me away from the eyes of FBI agents looking to catch hackers.

WarriorForum Sticky Thread – For Me, A Dissapointment

Before I start talking about my past and how I became an internet marketer, I need to share with you a rather dissapointing experience. I have launched a service on one of the biggest internet marketing forums, The Warrior Forum, and the results were well below any expectations.This isn’t an advertising thread, so I won`t even reveal the thread, I`m only going to talk about the final results. And to eliminate any doubts about the general quality of the service, the quality of the salesletter or my ability to convert leads, I will just talk about the views I got on the thread in different periods of the launch, and most importantly, during the sticky thread period.

I have enough experience with launching services and products on online forums and marketplaces and WF isn’t something new to me. Some launches hosted on this forum got me a lot of sales, but to be perfectly honest, I haven’t launched anything on this particular forum in the last year or so.

So how did the launch go ?

Everything started as usual, got everything set up, had someone build a great salesletter, and then I waited. I spent a couple of weeks looking for the hours that got the top numbers of viewers on the forum. I`ve figured out the best day of the week and time of day to launch the service, paid the necessary fees, got the thread approved, and when the time with the most viewers came, I launched it in the Warriors For Hire subforum, expecting to get overwhelmed by sales.

The service itself is one that’s already converting for me, so I had no reasons to worry. I also checked similar services to be sure the price wasn’t too high and that what I offered had a bonus in quality and is unique.

Getting back to the big question: How did the launch go ? Again, the sales number isn’t important. After a day and night of first page exposion on the Warriors For Hire subforum, the thread barely got 100 views. I was planning to send a newsletter to my subscriber list, showing interested buyers the big discount I offered on that WF thread, but seeing the low results I got from the launch and first page exposure, I wanted to test the actual strength of WF.

Twentyfour hours later I got pushed away from the first page by new and bumped threads, and as you can imagine, the thread stagnated at little over 100 views. I waited around one more day, then I thought it’s time to check the bump feature. The bump itself is only worth $20, so if that brings you just a sale or two, you get your money back, so nothing scary about that. But it didn’t. It got just around 20 more views, before the thread got pushed on the second page again.

Normally I thought that launching a service at top hours, although it brings the most exposure, will get pushed down pretty fast, so I had to find a way to keep the thread on the first page as long as possible. The sticky thread feature seemed like the best idea. What could be better than having your salesletter on the first 3 results of the marketplace for 24 hours straight ?

The Sticky Thread Phase

When you bump your thread or make it sticky you have to follow roughly the same steps as when you launch your product. So I checked to make sure that there are enough viewers on the forum, paid the fees (which for the sticky thread are $100), and waited to be amazed. This is where the big dissapointment hit me. For the launch and bump features you can always argue that the post is launched at an hour when there aren’t enough viewers around or that it is pushed down by other threads and it gets away from the eyes of possible buyers. But the sticky thread stays on top of all other results for 24 hours straight. Nothing better than this.

After 24 hours of first page exposure on the Warrior for Hire subforum, my thread only got around 100 more views! This was a hard hit for me, not in terms of money, but in terms of confidence in the strength of WarriorForum. There is one more variable you might think about, and that’s the title I`ve used. Well, you can rest assured I have followed the message type of the most active threads I could find, but kept it unique. So that would have a very small influence, if any, on the general number of viewers.

So What Can You Learn From My experience ?

  • If you only rely on around $100 for advertising your product, don’t count on the fact that bumping or getting your thread sticky will get you your money back in sales.
  • If WF or any forum for that matter has 10,000, 20,000 or even more active viewers, don’t assume they are all buyers or even visit the marketplace, for that matter.
  • We always thought that a great salesletter and a great service is all you need to bank big on popular forums, but it turns out that the strength of the forums also has a big influence on the final results.

Additional Clarification

Just so everything is clear, this is in no way a hate post, I`m an active member of WF and always liked the general feel of the forum and its community, that makes great efforts to help you if you have any questions. This is just a wake up call for people expecting too much from a forum. It’s also a wake up call for the people behind WF, if lucky circumstances get this article in front of anyone that matters in the WF staff team: Don’t expect this great forum to snowball with no help. The truth is that traffic is decreasing and this is a bad thing for normal users, but it’s also a bad thing for people that own WF.